EPISODE 30
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[INTERVIEW]
[0:00:39] SJ: Howdy, and welcome to Episode 30 of Shares Neat. I’m Steve Johnson, Chief Funding Officer right here at Forager Funds. And at present within the sizzling seat we’ve acquired Harvey Migotti filling in for Gareth Brown, common filling visitor for us on the podcast. How are you, Harvey?
[0:00:54] HM: I’m good, thanks. And your self?
[0:00:55] SJ: Very properly. Thanks. Portfolio supervisor of our worldwide fund. As I’m positive most listeners know, coming as much as 5 years now with Forager, Harvey. I’ve had plenty of calls with traders over the previous couple of months simply going by means of the delisting course of for our Australian shares fund and few listeners to the podcast as properly. Variety of individuals needed me to move on their because of you for the distinction that you just’ve made to their portfolio over the previous 5 years and the adjustments that we’ve seen for that worldwide fund of ours and the development in efficiency there and shaping as much as be one other actually good monetary yr for the fund this yr as properly.
[0:01:28] HM: Properly, contact wooden it continues, and thanks rather a lot. Respect it.
[0:01:32] SJ: However you’ve carried out rather well, you want proudly owning companies which can be in sectors that may develop, and I’ve acquired some tailwinds behind them. We’ve had quite a few these work properly, for us shopping for at occasions when individuals had been much less optimistic about it. Clearly, the theme that everybody’s speaking about now’s synthetic intelligence, it is extremely actual when it comes to the cash that’s being spent on the house on the market. You and I’ve simply been speaking previous to this podcast about among the adjacencies, and I assumed it was a very attention-grabbing perception into how you concentrate on the world of investing, and the way the plain theme is basically the perfect funding.
[0:02:09] HM: Properly, it’s in all probability the perfect funding for those who’re very early, however by the point, it’s beginning to materialize and it’s beginning to come by means of numbers, you generally discover that they’ve run away, however there’s some ways to earn cash off of 1 theme. This AI knowledge heart construct out, clearly semis, and sure, semis have run however there’s different firms that had been first derivatives of that similar to Vertiv, within the US, industrial firm the place 70% of the revenues coming from knowledge heart cooling merchandise. Very apparent in hindsight, however their orders are rising 50%, 60%, 70% yr on yr. They’re getting pricing that shares up 7x over the past yr.
So, the alternatives had been there, and we really assume there’s plenty of them on the market which can be nonetheless considerably flying beneath the radar. They’re getting extra acknowledged, I believe, over the past month or two, however they’re nonetheless beneath the radar. That’s simply extra to do with the facility gen aspect, and the transmission aspect and so forth. Take into consideration photo voltaic firms within the US, or energy technology firms, transmission firms. Guys that provide cables for all these items, copper as a commodity, pure fuel, probably as a commodity, since you want that power. I imply, individuals are estimating that US power demand must develop by 30% over the subsequent type of seven, eight years.
[0:03:21] SJ: 30?
[0:03:21] HM: Thirty p.c, sure.
[0:03:22] SJ: Simply the impression of constructing knowledge facilities?
[0:03:25] HM: It’s not simply knowledge facilities, however there’s some baseline power development that ought to occur. US has been staggering for 20 years, and also you’ve been absorbing a few of that capability. However you’re additionally on the margin closing down issues like coal vegetation, and so forth consequently which can be lately within the ESG push. So, pockets like photo voltaic ought to outgrow that base quantity.
Europe, I noticed an estimate yesterday. I believe it was from Goldman Sachs. Don’t quote me on that, although. But it surely was that demand there must develop 50% in power provides or it must develop to 50% to maintain up with demand over the subsequent decade. I imply, unbelievable, unbelievable numbers after the final 15 years work in power financial savings and price efficiencies have come by means of the system in decrease demand.
[0:04:04] SJ: It’s attention-grabbing, a few of these adjacencies, it’s nearly much less dangerous than a lot of the firms which can be really – I believe there’s nonetheless plenty of uncertainty about how a lot that is basically going to vary companies and whether or not the quantity of CapEx that even in some circumstances, giant firms are spending on that is really going to be a great return on that capital or not. A number of that’s unclear. However for those who’re the individual that’s the beneficiary of the capital spend itself, it looks like that’s locked and loaded for the subsequent 5 to 10 years. There’s going to should be extra capability constructed.
[0:04:36] HM: In a gold rush, you type of put money into the pickaxe producer, so to talk, proper? So, we’ve type of carried out that. I imply, we personal utilized supplies within the semi-cap tools house, and some different firms that I believe we haven’t disclosed however within the photo voltaic house of photo voltaic capability and technology within the US and some different areas. We undoubtedly are lengthy sure commodities, uranium, copper, by means of Glencore and so forth.
[0:05:00] SJ: Do you will have any views on taking the funding piece to 1 aspect, however simply methods by which that life is more likely to change over the subsequent decade, in sensible methods, due to the affect of synthetic intelligences?
[0:05:13] HM: It’s humorous, I learn this tweet, and it really resonated with me. It’s like, I don’t need bloody AI to come back and do artwork for me and this sort of stuff. I need to say, I had come and clear my home and assist me do laundry. So, I can do artwork. That actually type of resonated with me, as a result of I really feel like there will likely be jobs on the market that in all probability disappear to some extent due to this. I imply, you simply take into consideration the content material that a few of these techniques are producing when it comes to movies. You may simply sort a little bit script after which swiftly, wham bam, you’ve acquired a little bit children present, 5-minute, 10-minute episode of a Bear and a few Bunnies, no matter, shenanigans occurring the woods, or new Tom and Jerry episode, and it’s in all probability actually – it’s going to, or 5 to 10 years, going to be one thing that this stuff can generate.
A bit scary for sure industries, I believe, to some extent, probably ours as properly. But it surely’s undoubtedly going to make issues extra environment friendly and I believe you’re already seeing that. I do know, one other fund supervisor who was telling me that he writes his month-to-month after which he places it by means of ChatGPT, and it will get it to spice it up and type of make it sound higher. It’s generally –
[0:06:16] SJ: Change underperform to –
[0:06:20] HM: I’m unsure blatantly lies an excessive amount of simply but, except it’s doing authorized stuff, I heard. So, that’s undoubtedly saving individuals time. I imply, look, everybody’s debating AI. I type of don’t need to sit right here and put my 5 cents and two cents, and no matter. There’s no level. I believe that components of our lives will get tougher because of it and folks may want to search out different careers and paths and that scares me. On the opposite aspect, issues ought to in idea, get extra environment friendly, however you continue to must do your laundry, and you continue to must do all that menial stuff. I’m trying ahead 20, 30 years, that’s after I actually hope some dwelling robots just like the little Roomba have, can really save us stuff that we don’t need to do, to offer us extra time for the issues we do. That’s the place I really feel the true profit could be for many individuals, I believe.
[0:07:02] SJ: I believe each single technological transformation that we’ve had. Individuals have underestimated the quantity of extra utilization that it causes the quantity of extra provide of issues. So, everybody’s considering, “Properly, it’s going to take these jobs.” They don’t assume that with the software, an individual can create 10 occasions as a lot content material. We’re going to be inundated with content material.
The Economist had a chunk in a current situation of that the place they took the video, so now you can, as you simply touched on, this ChatGPT video equal the place you may go and say, “Make me a video of X, Y, and Z. They went to a few totally different advertising and marketing corporations and mentioned, “We wish you to check these three totally different video AI instruments and inform us what you consider the output.” One of many responses there was, “I had these three totally different campaigns. I acquired to jot down, make me a video of them, and it’s nowhere close to the usual that I might really use to run an advert.” However might I take it to the shopper and say, “I’ve acquired these three concepts. He’s one, two, and three,” you get the overall gist of what we’re attempting to do right here. He mentioned, “Completely. And that was every week’s work for us engaged on a pitch deck, that’s now 5 minutes. Okay, I’ve acquired an incredible concept, put it into the engine, get the engine to make me one thing tough.” After which there’s plenty of time that should go put into making {that a} skilled – that can get higher. However in the end, they’re going to have the ability to create dramatically extra, is the wanting it.
[0:08:19] HM: I imply, that is at present, however we’ve type of seen that play out in different methods within the video gaming house the place you had all these engines come out to make life simpler for recreation creators over the past decade. What really occurred to the trade is that it multiplied. The dimensions of it simply grew exponentially, since you now might create extra content material. So, extra high-quality video games had been being made. Extra individuals had been being employed within the trade. As individuals to some extent nervous again then, it didn’t really kill jobs. So, I believe that’s 100% appropriate. In lots of circumstances, you’ll simply see, maybe larger high quality, extra product, versus one man loses the job and it’s mutually unique. It is probably not that approach.
[0:08:57] SJ: I believe on the flip aspect of the bullish frenzy in the mean time, there’s additionally I believe, to what precisely what you’re saying, quite a few firms, loads of firms on the market the place they’re being tarnished with a brush that your online business goes to be out of date due to synthetic intelligence which can be – it’s not simple. I believe you actually do want to find out whether or not the long run is doubtful or not. However there’s some attention-grabbing alternatives on the market the place individuals are simply assuming that the enterprise goes to develop into out of date.
[0:09:22] HM: There are. I imply, we’ve been writing one which’s up a great 40%, 50% right here at present. TaskUs, low-cost outsourcing for high-tech firms. Chat help and serving to individuals navigate by means of points logging in and no matter else and that was massively hammered because the AI hub has began to bubble. However look, they’re their income is inflicting again to development, and I believe you continue to want this stuff. It’s filth low-cost or was cheaper, I suppose a number of weeks in the past, and also you do have these alternatives 100%.
I imply, one factor we had been doing plenty of work on and near pulling the set off on is within the gaming house, was additionally seen as an AI loser, went down from 30 occasions earnings to 12. And lo and behold, the 75% supply from personal fairness came visiting the weekend. You may guess your backside greenback that these guys employed plenty of trade consultants to kick the tires. I used to be in personal fairness. I imply, you spent plenty of money and time doing diligence on the operations and resilience of the enterprise, a minimum of on a 5 to eight-year view, your holding interval, and have become, I think to the identical conclusion that we did.
That is really not that detrimental. There’s components of the enterprise that can profit. There are some components that can lose, however that is nonetheless a cracking enterprise. I believe there are nonetheless alternatives on the market. They’re painted with that brush. And equally, that task is 100% issues which have run actually far. There’s some loopy shares within the US buying and selling and a whole bunch of multiples of P simply because there’s some type of AI hyperlink or ties to no matter.
[0:10:49] SJ: I believe, that was proportion of firms that talked about AI of their earnings name. Is it 5?
[0:10:56] HM: Exponential development.
[0:10:58] SJ: It’s as much as one thing like 40.
[0:11:00] HM: When you will have a copper miner telling you the way AI goes to make the mines extra environment friendly. I’m positive it’ll. I’m positive it’ll. However I’m positive that that software program was already there 5 years in the past, 10 years in the past, anyway. I do know that the mine optimization software program has been round for ages, proper? We’ve lined the trade for some time.
[0:11:15] SJ: Now, being world.
[0:11:17] HM: Precisely. Now, they’re simply placing the AI label in entrance of it and utilizing the buzzword. It’s hilarious to see, we’ve been by means of this many, many occasions throughout varied matters and sure issues.
[0:11:27] SJ: In case you’re the miner and everybody else goes to have the identical know-how, it’s going to finish up in no matter efficiencies you get, will in the end be handed on by means of value.
We’d transfer on to some commodities chat. However earlier than we do, it’s imagined to be a whiskey podcast. You haven’t talked about a whiskey but. We’ve each been working fairly laborious. We had a birthday celebration for my spouse not too long ago and he or she was gifted a few bottles of whiskey that had her title written on them. So, you are able to do this by means of Archie Rose. Actually, actually cool ID. You get a bottle of whiskey and it’s acquired your title on it and the yr that you just acquired it. The Archie Rose whiskey, it’s one other one among these we’re going to promote you. I don’t even know that till you already spent six and seven-year-old whiskey. They declare that the entire age factor is a little bit of a furphy. However for me, I believe you may style the shortage of softness within the newer whiskeys.
[0:12:17] HM: The place’s the –
[0:12:18] SJ: That’s an Australian –
[0:12:18] HM: Properly, it’s attention-grabbing. I imply, for those who go on a tour of Manly Spirits, they are going to inform you why in Australia, you are able to do what Scotland does in 12 to fifteen years in 4 or 5, and it’s the humidity and the temperature.
[0:12:30] SJ: It additionally means they don’t have to carry stock for 10 years.
[0:12:34] HM: It’s higher to be at – properly, you won’t get the premium but. But it surely’s undoubtedly higher to be an Aussie whiskey producer from a listing and dealing capital perspective than a Scottish one. I can inform you that. However that’s an attention-grabbing tour. Properly, really, I believe we must always get a pleasant Coastal Stone Whisky from Manly Spirits given it’s up right here, and I believe plenty of listeners can simply pop as much as the to the brewery, go to the method of how they make it and have some cracking whiskey that’s made and really restricted provides that you would be able to solely get them in sure locations. So, let’s tee that up for subsequent time, I believe.
[0:13:03] SJ: Sounds nice. She acquired a Nant that was the identical really, a greater whiskey from my perspective. Very tasty one. However actually nice present concept, I assumed, for somebody that likes their whiskey. Get a bottle with a reputation on it. Tremendous concept.
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[INTERVIEW CONTINUES]
[0:13:58] SJ: We touched on copper a second in the past. It’s been one thing that you just and I’ve, I believe, talked about on the podcast earlier than, actually written about within the experiences. I’d say, I really feel just like the returns on capital within the commodity house are going to be larger than they’ve been traditionally as a result of ESG and quite a few different components throughout the board. However we’ve been notably within the copper story. It’s traditionally simply been a great proxy for the economic system. However good causes, I believe, for that unlocking. You’ve had each copper and gold hitting highs not too long ago, up pretty sturdy years.
[0:14:32] HM: Sure. Multi-year highs. That’s proper. Copper is up 25% simply over the previous two and a half months or so. We’ve owned Glencore for some time for publicity there. We’re continuously screening for different names. I imply, they’ve rated the pure-play copper firms to some extent, however there’s a great purpose why. You will have a multi-year story right here within the demand aspect and if you concentrate on the “new economic system” that the world is attempting to transition to. They want plenty of copper. EVs, charging stations, knowledge facilities, grid capability expansions, all that jazz. You simply want it. It’s laborious to see the place the provision is coming from in the mean time, as a result of no one’s actually investing capex. That was years in the past already and nonetheless type of hovering at decrease ranges versus historical past, and definitely versus GDP and so forth. Order charges of present mines preserve getting worse.
It appears like each few months, there’s some type of mine disruption in some a part of the world, notably in rising markets and, and so forth. So, I believe traders, merchants, mining executives, for a a number of variety of years now, have warranted that the world’s going to face a essential shortfall of copper, that inexperienced industries simply are gobbling this up, and so they want it. But, on the opposite aspect, you’ve acquired some stock in-built sure locations individuals are involved about and a slowing China, which is an honest person of copper, notably in development buildings, and so forth, waters, and whatnot. That’s type of stored a lid on it and it appears prefer it’s lastly beginning to erupt, for lack of higher phrases.
[0:15:58] SJ: Sure. I’m seeing it talked about increasingly. However I do assume the entire India demand story is basically beginning to transfer the dial throughout all of those commodities, I’ve been fairly nervous about Chinese language demand, whether or not it’s coal or iron ore or copper. That economic system has been on an unsustainable path for a while. However what’s occurring behind the scenes right here is the Indian economic system is rising in a short time, lastly, and there’s a lot of unfavorable stuff written in regards to the PM over there. However I believe it’s nearly required a robust man sort method to get the economic system going within the course that it wanted to go in. It’s develop into a real powerhouse and there’s a lot of infrastructure construct occurring there and there is a gigantic quantity that should occur over the subsequent 20 years.
So, it has actually develop into a requirement engine and presumably made me much less involved right here in regards to the impression that China coming off the boil goes to have on a few of these markets. It’s one other China within the making in India.
[0:16:54] HM: I imply, I believe we’re usually optimistic in regards to the wider commodity house, for a similar purpose, and we’ve touched upon type of the power aspect of issues at first of this podcast. So, there are a number of drivers. You don’t want all of them to activate for attempting to go up, if that is smart. We simply want a few of them to nonetheless be there in three years, 4 years’ time, and so forth.
[0:17:12] SJ: Sure. The provision aspect, it’s simply not going to get any simpler to develop a brand new mine and even add capability to an present one is. Possibly rightfully so, there’s much more constraints on the place and what individuals can do. However to the extent that we would like all of those new applied sciences and need to drive electrical autos, it’s going to should be discovered someplace. I believe, it’s simply going to require larger returns on capital, and the price of this stuff are going up as properly, and that signifies that for those who personal an present fairly low-cost asset, you’re going to be sitting on a really, very worthwhile, literal goldmine. Gold and copper collectively.
[0:17:49] HM: Sure, 100%.
[0:17:50] SJ: The markets been a bit like that this yr. To this point, this calendar yr, even Harvey, it was a really, I believe, slender vary of higher high quality shares into Christmas and January that had been driving the market. However there’s extra occurring on the market. Now, I believe there’s different issues which were main the market extra not too long ago, together with a reasonably sturdy commodities restoration not too long ago, European financials. We’ve talked about them within the podcast with Gareth, the sector that folks hated for 15 years. I believe you had been saying the best-performing –
[0:18:20] HM: Sure, as of I believe this weekend, it was the best-performing index in Europe. The banks and financials index. So, that’s wonderful. I believe, for those who ask most individuals, they in all probability wouldn’t assume that. But it surely has been. It’s humorous that the rally have actually broadened and that’s good to see. I believe it’s more healthy than simply sure pockets getting overextended. However we’re nonetheless discovering some actually attention-grabbing alternatives. There’s a bunch of sectors which can be nonetheless I believe, within the doldrums shopper discretionary. Nonetheless has plenty of alternatives. There’s nonetheless plenty of alternatives in sure commodities. Photo voltaic has gotten crushed to a pulp. That’s went from being the most popular factor on the face of the planet to buying and selling at multi-year low multiples. A number of this photo voltaic type of element producers and whatnot. And I’m not even speaking in regards to the commoditized issues just like the panels that China is dumping and whatnot, which the US by the way in which, mentioned they’re going to place tariffs on now, which is attention-grabbing.
[0:19:14] SF: Haven’t you heard, Australia goes to be a world powerhouse in photo voltaic manufacturing.
[0:19:20] HM: Sure. So, I believe there’s nonetheless pockets of alternatives there, and I believe, this inventory I briefly talked about that was seen as a “AI loser” has a cracking 2020-year file and simply actually good enterprise. Simply acquired a 75% takeover supply. So, there’s undoubtedly nonetheless stuff on the market. I believe, for those who look throughout nations as properly, US and the Nasdaq actually have rated to larger multiples. However you have a look at the UK, however, and nonetheless buying and selling at very affordable valuations and components of Europe as properly. So, there’s undoubtedly alternatives on the market.
[0:19:53] SF: I really feel like there’s a fragility to it or there’s nonetheless plenty of worry about these issues that haven’t labored from the final decade, whether or not that’s financials and even right here in Australia, that the small cap finish of the market. We had Gentrack out yesterday with a revenue improve that share costs up 5 or six-fold over the previous couple of years. Any enterprise that’s downgraded, we’ve acquired a few tourism-related shares the place the share value has halved over the course of the previous six months as properly, on their downgrades, however they’re lower the worth of your online business right here by 5% or 10%, and the share value has halved. I didn’t assume they had been stupidly priced to begin with. So, no one needs to be left holding any enterprise that’s disappointing type of momentum facets, that for those who get on the fallacious aspect of it, it’s nonetheless share costs having right here, quite than your regular bull market surroundings the place the whole lot is simply up it doesn’t matter what they do.
[0:20:47] HM: Undoubtedly, I believe it is extremely momentum-driven. I additionally – it jogs my memory of a quote from somebody that me and also you each know. I gained’t say his title, however one among my favourite salespeople on the market. “Huge strikes begin with large strikes.” I believe we’ve seen that yr thus far with a few of our investments. I believe Zeta involves thoughts the place the corporate is competing and elevating since we’ve owned it for 2 and a half years, and the shares not carried out very a lot. After which swiftly, they do it another quarter, which was in Q1 and lo and behold, it’s doubled yr thus far. We nonetheless assume it’s a beautiful a number of. It’s simply that you just’ve had all of this earnings development over three years compound, and also you’ve had all these beats and raises compound within the inventory did nothing after which swiftly, wham goes up rather a lot on earnings, after which simply continues. It’s been up I believe each single day nearly for the previous three weeks.
So, generally it comes later. You don’t need to be lacking that and stuff you don’t both. However it’s momentum-driven. As soon as this began, it’s continued. You don’t overstay your welcome. So, I believe it’s essential to be disciplined. It’s actually a momentum-driven market in the mean time. I imply, not that it hasn’t been for a few years now, I suppose.
[0:21:49] SJ: That’s really a very attention-grabbing subject, and perhaps one for one more dialog. However one thing Alex Shevelev talks about rather a lot is that this, understanding what sort of enterprise that you just personal when it comes to whether or not it is best to let a few of these issues run kind of. This concept {that a} enterprise might be an open-ended rising enterprise the place it could be perceived in a different way by individuals down the monitor, versus one that’s simply, this isn’t the world’s biggest enterprise. I purchased it at a stupidly low value. I must promote it at what’s in all probability nonetheless a low value as properly. However a inventory like Zeta, there was loads of skepticism. And even internally, we’re asking loads of questions on whether or not they had been going to ship on the guarantees they’d made to individuals.
So, it’s okay, they beat as soon as. I’m nonetheless skeptical twice. It’s been six of them, proper? However you get to the purpose the place even I’m going, properly, that concern that I had is gone away, and due to this fact as an alternative of it being 10 or 12-risk adjusted multiples that you just assume’s the fitting quantity for that enterprise, it could actually really be 20 or 25, and even 30, if the enterprise goes to continue to grow. That’s what’s occurred with Gentrack as properly that you just’ve had earnings development, and due to the boldness that that development goes to proceed, you’ve had the a number of enterprise go from –
[0:22:59] HM: They often come hand in hand, and that’s whenever you get the multiplexers run.
[0:23:02] SJ: In that case, it’s 50 occasions, two years out earnings now as a result of everybody’s climbing over themselves to personal the inventory. So, I believe that is a crucial factor that we’ve actually tried to include into our portfolio administration expertise over the previous few years is bear in mind to the totally different notion that this inventory might need about it, if the funding thesis goes to plan. If it’s Seven West Media, it’s shrinking. Everybody is aware of it’s going to shrink. It’s by no means going to be perceived as something totally different to that. Want to pay attention to that and it is advisable be keen to promote these companies at what appeared like nonetheless low-cost costs. If it’s a enterprise that individuals are probably going to be keen to place the next a number of on, it doesn’t imply it’ll occur. However as that chance goes up over time, it is advisable give them a bit extra runway.
[0:23:45] HM: I agree, I’ve all the time been a fan of letting issues run. I handle the place measurement. Don’t let it get loopy and be an enormous chunk of the portfolio as a result of it’s multi-bagged, however you let issues run till the businesses, the thesis breaks, or the corporate has a foul miss or one thing like that occurs, proper? I imply, clearly, if it will get to a very ridiculous a number of, you higher step again and hope for a greater alternative. We had that with Celsius a number of occasions. Then, we purchased it again, what two, 3 times, after which ought to double our cash every time? So, issues do all the time get forward of themselves as properly. However usually, sure, I completely agree. Notion is the whole lot, to some extent. Market is inefficient, we predict. So, simply being a step forward there and letting others put their notion onto the inventory value is an efficient factor.
[0:24:27] SJ: Sure. Put your self in another person’s sneakers and say how would this specific sort of investor, if that inventory has now develop into interesting to them, take into consideration this, quite than us with our money stream based mostly. We need to earn 12% every year right here, proper? So, this may be so simple as these individuals will assume seven and eight, the fitting quantity, the fitting type of enterprise.
Okay, everybody, thanks for tuning in. Harvey, thanks on your time once more. You’re within the nation for some time otherwise you’re heading off wherever quickly?
[0:24:52] HM: I’m right here in the interim. I acquired a convention later this yr within the US once more, kicking the tires on a number of issues. However sure, right here, in any other case.
[0:24:59] SJ: Take pleasure in being dwelling for some time. We spend plenty of time on the highway, so it’s good to have you ever round. Thanks for tuning in. Any questions, ship them by means of to [email protected]. Thanks on your help. Don’t neglect to share the podcast and prefer it on no matter podcast app that you just use. Thanks.
[0:25:15] HM: Thanks.
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